We did a friends 64 GTO over 20 years ago, same process. I have searched for an answer to this but, cannot find it. POR is good. but, for some sand blasting is not an option. I did the front of the frame and have photos on my Killer Chevelle gallery. You can leave it, but any sun exposure will dull it over time. Finished up the rear tail panel trunk braces and the son POR-15'd the trunk. POR15 is so freakin hard to get off your hands. Rust-Oleum Rusty Metal Primer vs. Rust Reformer AZ Rust Plenty of products on the market today, such as Rust-Oleum, will help you take your rusted piece of furniture or yard decoration from falling apart to looking brand-new. Thread starter BlackGMC; Start date Mar 29, 2007; Forums. When applied to metal, the POR-15 expands and contracts at a different rate from the metal, so something has to give. Not everyone has an industrial supplier kicking around, but they may have a POR-15 vendor local. They all hold up well and prep is key to all of them. I was going to do my frame in POR15 and not paint over it because I am doing a frame on restore but now I am not sure if I should just paint over the POR myself. Hello all, I am at the point of my frame off project that I need to paint the frame. Rust is a problem that has been plaguing our society since the Iron Age. I should have brushed it on but wanted it back in areas the brush couldn't get to. I once used rustbullet, and it smelled so bad you had to take breaks in between sprays. Sorry if it is redundant. I do have plenty of the Rustoleum already in a nice semigloss (left from a previous project) so thats why all the questions. I found that using a sheet of kitchen food wrap, the clinging kind seemd to work pretty good if used under the lid. The guy said it was a little easier to use and better for painting frames. "I know a lot about cars, man. A forum community dedicated to Chevrolet Chevelle owners and enthusiasts. I used the POR -15 paint. Ask Question Asked 7 years, 10 months ago. From the moment it was established it was clear t… For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. some people swear by this. We make a product called 'Metal-Ready'. It’s made in the United States by a leading name in rust protection and joins the quick-drying, satiny Rust-Oleum Enamel and the long-lasting matte Rust-Oleum Automotive on the list. In tight areas I just used the foam brush. POR-15 Rubberized Under Coating is a flexible, paintable, texturized black coating. It flows out nicely and by the time it sets it looks like it was sprayed! Many treatments have been tried to cure the rust problem but only temporary solutions have been found or used with little effect. Sinds 1845. The secret to keeping POR15 fresh is to get the can resealed. On the Diffs it filled the rough cast metal and almost looked like plasti-coat. Sent from my Motorola Smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint! Howard Kester of Philadelphia founded what was then the world’s first aerosol paints, today Krylon Inc is the largest supplier of aerosol paints in the whole world. I've used both POR products and Rustoleum and I believe that the main differences is all in the hype and the price myself. It also, still looks good. You're going to see test panels in the video just below. POR-15 does not adhere well to smooth, shiny surfaces, but will adhere well to those surfaces with the proper preparation. Do clean off flaky rust before applying. Rust Bullet. After it sets, you can pop it out of the bottom to see what it is. We’ll start this detailed analysis by taking a look at Krylon. Rusty metal, use Por-15 , Miracle Paint, etc, a moisture cure Urethane product. After a year (IIRC) it was rusting again. I have never had a problem with any of them. I'am using Eastwoods Rust Encapsulator. But best of all, I got to see how XO Rust Spray Paint performed against the popular heavily advertised Rustoleum paint. can of POR-15 (enough to cover 12 square feet) : LocTite - Rust-Oleum Automotive rust removal package from local HD, … This tractor paint came recommended over por 15 and some other paints for a frame resto. I bought the POR-15 with the rust picture on it. 1948 - 1956 F1, F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks - POR-15 vs Rustoleum - Well, after carefull concideration I have decided to switch from my current idea of painting my F-1 chassis and all components with Rustoleum gloss black to POR-15. Come join the discussion about restorations, builds, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! Viewed 6k times 2. I wire wheeled, left brake lines, rustoleum rusty primer, valspar tractor and implement two part enamel. It sealed and allowed me to get the lid off w/o tearing it up. JavaScript is disabled. Feb 6, 2007 247 1 0. Active 7 years, 10 months ago. I went with POR15 because I have freinds that used it with excellent results but I am sure there are plenty out there that work just as well. We’re still partial to the POR-15 44000 Series , which stands up to harsh weather and salt, making it a good choice for outdoor grills. Clean metal, use primer and Rustoleum. WHAT IS THE 'PROPER PREPARATION'? Rustoleum vs. POR-15 on subframe Anyway, The POR-15 Depot had offered to donate some POR-15 to the project, but I can't get a hold of them anymore and the stuff is EXPENSIVE! 67 C20 - 69 Nova - 72 Elco - 07 Sky Turbo. POR 15 v/s Rust Bullet. Figure in the cost of gas now days and the $22 difference between what we *may* be able to find at a supplier vs. POR-15 and it may nearly be a wash. I want to clean up the frame, rad etc while I cool my heels waiting for the panels to come back. Pretty durn stout. There are the big guns and there are the rest, the big guns being POR15 or Rust Bullet. :thumbsup: POR-15 on the bottom of the sons' 66 Nova - 2 years later still hanging in there. I am a big fan of Rustoleum and have used it in the past and it seemed pretty tough. And wipe the frame with isopropyl alcohol before painting. B. BlackGMC New Member. I'd do the POR. Its clean, only a little rust that has been wire brushed and I cant decide if its better to cover it in POR or do the rust converter then Rustoleum paint on this car. I cleaned the frame with a wire wheel on the inside of the frame and sanding the outside with 60 grit sand paper. I have been doing some painting lately and I am buying all of my supplies from Home Depot. I use all of these products from POR to chassis black to Rustoleum. Even if you need a quart you are better off buying it in smaller cans that you think you will use up during one application since once you open the can POR 15 starts to slowly cure. I'm happy with it and I guess that's all that matters. Seeing Im only going to paint the frame itself, I would expect it wont see too much sunlight (will be stored inside). It is formulated to protect metal against moisture, salt, chemicals, dust, heat, & cold. Krylon or Rustoleum? I just completed the same to the bottom of the 66 Chevelle SS last night. HP53Deluxe Member. Follow it with chassis coat black to cut down the shine. Rustoleum makes the same thing. Still looks great. One quart will be plenty, it covers better than any paint you have ever used. It smells just like my can that I have. A forum community dedicated to Chevrolet Chevelle owners and enthusiasts. But Chassis Saver is more expensive, but not as much as POR-15. A few years ago they did another frame, but just steam power washed it, and then brushed Rustoleum Rusty Metal Primer, then a top coat of plain Rustoleum black on it. The POR-15 still looks perfect but it has separated from the metal. But maybe the small hole idea is even better. I think thats one of the good advantages is that it can be rolled on and doesnt need to be sanded and smoothed out like some of the other paints you roll on that arent intended for it as a primary application method. What's the difference between Rust-oleum and Rust-oleum Professional? He said POR-15 was not hard to take off. You now have a rust manufacturing plant operating at maximum efficiency, completely out of sight under the POR-15. The price isn't bad, And it comes in spray cans. 1971 Chevelle SS- 454 ci, 4 speed, yellow w/ black int. POR15 or Rust Encapsulator or Rustoleum or Rust Bullet and on the list goes. I figured the factory paint lasted this long( it was hole and glossy in many areas) then why not. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. POR 15 doesn’t have any UV filters and must be top coated if in the sun for prolonged periods of time. He said Rust-Oleum was more difficult to remove and worlds cheaper than POR-15. Rust-Oleum Industrial Europe: Industriële en decoratieve verven & coatings, veiligheids- en onderhoudsproducten. If I go with the POR do I need to paint over it or can I just leave it semi gloss black? Van vloer tot dak, en met allerlei specialistische oplossingen. Perhaps you misunderstood my post, it is a confusing issue- Rustoleum threatened to sue Rust Bullet for other reasons, mainly the name/trademark, not the actual formulation- I realize the paint formulations are totally different, a urethane vs. an enamel- but Rust Bullet did extensive tests and Rustoleum did very poorly in them- see it here- and Rustoleum didn't like it too much When using Rustoleum, I usually chill the can in the refrigerator over night so when using it, the paint has time to flow out before hardening. I've use POR-15 twice on front frames during rebuild and I thought it worked great. See my "bodywork" link below for the floorpans, etc. In our present times, the ... Rustoleum, and Wasser products etc. Pics in showroom. THEN second coat with POR -15 U.V. The history of this world heavyweight, Krylon, dates back to as early as 1947. In the tub I rolled it followed by a foam brush using the roll and tip method. Then using their Chassis black gloss top coat. POR-15 POR-15 was extremely satisfying to apply after the intensive prep. The panels were created using an ASTM B117 test procedure. Just something a friend told me about his experiences: They blasted a frame clean and used POR-15. Regardless of the side, you’re on concerning the debate of Krylon vs Rustoleum, you can’t deny that the other is a good product in its own stead. I used the POR when and where a spray can wouldnt work and I needed good protection without overspray. POR15 - (I know it good) - Starter pack you'll get a 4 oz. JavaScript is disabled. POR 15 is good for applying to items that are already rusted but I suggest you get one of their kits and go by the instructions for the whole procedure to get the best results. I have taken all the body panels off and sent them out to be painted. I'll finish up the back seat, floor pans and inside firewall today. I can look at any cars headlights and tell you. This means getting the right tools and choosing between Rust Bullet vs. Rust-oleum or POR-15 Australia to remove the rust build-up. POR-15 vs Eastwood's Rust Encapsulator article. 1965 - 1973 Classic Mustangs -General/Talk-Classic Mustang Specific Tech . These do not stick well to clean metal! So much has been written about these and so many forums trashing each other it’s difficult to know where to start. Come join the discussion about restorations, builds, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! Discussion in '1947-1954' started by HP53Deluxe, Apr 10, 2009. Ron 65SS (Mine since 1976) -327C.I.-Autogear Muncie-Strange S60-. - Ordinary paint doesn't stick well to POR-15. Depending on the amount of rust or corrosion, you will need to set aside enough time to remove it from your vehicle. I dont have an actual paint gun so for me the POR fit the bill on a lot of parts. protective coating. http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/showgallery.php/cat/500/ppuser/5596, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Did my frame 7 years ago with Rustoleum Red Oxide Primer and Black Semi Gloss Enamel. The weather's rough, so I'm in here discussing POR 15, Eastwood's Rust Encapsulator and Miracle Paint, and some of my experiences with all three products. You can topcoat with Rustoleum if you wish to get a permanent shinny surface. I usually use a dixie cup to hold a small amount while applying. sandblasting and painting with epoxy primer is better. Fewest of color options. I have used both POR 15 and Rustoleum each on the frame of one of my Cadillacs. In these cases POR is a pretty good option. I'm sorry this test didn't work out long term, I was looking forward to it. Provides rust protection. Rust-Oleum[emoji]174[/emoji] Specialty High Heat Spray retains color and finish up to 1200º F. Apply to grills, wood-burning stoves, radiators, engines or other metal items. http://s288.photobucket.com/user/swsidlo/Chevelle/story, http://s222.photobucket.com/albums/dd22/bkconway/1971 Chevelle SS/, https://macc.chevelles.net/images/deans_chevelle.jpg, http://s259.photobucket.com/albums/hh317/ronstine/, http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=318062, http://www.msnusers.com/Chrisjunque/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=2, http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/showphoto.php/photo/22392/limit/recent, http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u342/restoman20/1969 Beaumont/DSC_0520-1.jpg, http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u342/restoman20/300 deluxe 2 door post/DSC_0055-1.jpg, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. I'm a big fan of the POR-15. The "engine detail" link shows some on the cowl area. It’s an excellent moisture barrier for application over auto underbody repairs & creates an effective sound barrier that reduces vibration & deadens sound in wheel wells, quarter panels, fenders, frames & undercarriages. Rustoleum Results. POR-15 vs. Eastwood rust converter, encapsulator. Mustang Forums. POR 15: Mainly used for cars. I realize this is a frame and you are using it in a body area, but I think a decently cleaned, prepped, and coated POR-15 would work ok. Not a perfect fix, but, you stated you weren't going for perfect. He then said Chassis Saver was was even harder than Rust-Oleum to get off. Choosing the Right Rust Protection Tools & Supplies. Por 15 vs Eastwood Rust Encapsulator. Just something a friend told me about his experiences: I (stupidly) wire brushed my entire frame (should have had it dipped and galvanized, but I didn't know about that 10 years ago), but I wire brushed it in the garage and did the outer surfaces or anywhere I could get with a paintbrush with first the metal-etch from POR-15, then did POR-15 semi-gloss black over it, and I have about 8k miles on the car since it was able to be driven, and aside from where I hook my trailer straps on the front of the frame, the POR 15 hasn't chipped or rusted through. Also, Chassis Saver requires a lot less preparation than POR-15. Rust-Oleum® biedt een volledig assortiment van producten en oplossingen voor alle geplande onderhouds- en renovatiewerkzaamheden in industriële en zakelijke gebouwen van welke aard ook. you will need to use their etching primer because they say POR is to hard and paint will not stick to it. Guys, please tell me I just did not buy a can of rebranded rustoleum. 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